Just visit sometimes?
CG
this is not one of those 'farewell' threads, 'gotta' go' threads, or 'bye' threads.
because i know myself well enough to say that i would not honor my own exit - i would soon be back, .
but in all honesty, i am finding my desire to be on this forum less and less compelling.
Just visit sometimes?
CG
w/o going into all the history.dc/tmc are all about money.tmc(priests) didn't care how poor the people were or how far they had to travel.they knew the people had to offer sacrifices for the atonement of their sins.also they req'd to buy animals from the tmc.they (tmc) saw an oppportunity to make a ton of money.. wts(gb/faithful slave) select locations for their dc at the lowest price they can get.they don't care how far the r&f have to travel or the cost.req'd (sacrifice) to attend dc.also the r&f have to stay at selected wts hotels.they wts see an opportunity to make a ton of money.ex.a few years back instead of having 1dc in vcr,bc as usual(which would of cost the wts a few dollars more no deal that year) they had 5 dc in kamloops,bc over 200 hundred miles away.approx.
20k r&f had to make that sacrifical trip from vcr to kamloops.cost to r&f est.$2 million.profit est.
to wts $200k.. dc rules... stay at select wts hotels(money for wts),type of food containers, dress,badges.oh so many rules you better see km's for a ton of them.i guess that is to keep r&f on their toes or else it will weigh them down.. ps: stay tuned i have some interesting thoughts on this years dc.. bob.
It was interesting, but back in the 60's and 70's, the Witnesses actually prided themselves on not asking for donations from the platform; which they touted as showing how different they were from "Christendom's Churches." Of course, the obligatory donation box was back in the back, but it was pretty small and hidden. Now it seems that that is *all* they do. Very huge difference from the way it was 40 years ago. God's message is free for all who take, even now.
CG
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of what it was like to be raised a jehovahs witness is limited because of not.
having had any family in the organization.
Well...
Just imagine yourself in a foreign country, as an enemy spy. That's what it was like.
Sorry for the subjectivity.
CG
last night on the news a woman was told by a store manager that she could not in public breastfeed her child.
she and her husband were quite offended and complained to the company's main offices.
they are now looking into this situation.. what's your opinion?
As it becomes more common for women to breastfeed their children in public, it will most likely become less of an issue with anyone, and won't be suitable for debate because no one will care. They shouldn't really care now.
its odd to me when and where things change for me.
this last friday i went out with friends and a cousin i hadnt seen in over a year.
i also went out in a part of town i hadnt spent time in for years.
BigWillie:
That was such a great post, I thoroughly enjoyed it and totally identified with it.
I had a drama director one time say to me: "If you lose your wonder of the world, you have lost everything: your ability to act, and your ability to love. Your life will be an endless quest for money to pay your rent, your newspaper subscription, and life will be nothing to you until you die, but a quest for money and identification." That really struck a big chord with me.
Because of that drama director, I have always tried to retain my ability to see life through new eyes, and in different ways. I hope you have found that, too. It was hard....
CG
well, since i da'd my parents have shunned me.
they have however replied to my emails inquiring as to their health and such.
every few months i send them an email telling them how i am and asking them how they are.
U1:
That is the lure of apocolyptic religions, and cults. They foster an "Us Against Them" mentality and that is how they keep their members, and their members' children. They say they do it "because of love." That is DEFINITELY not the definition of love. I am sure that your parents love you, but they do it by the book of the religion. They are not in control of their right minds. However much it hurts us that are not in the religion anymore, we have to remember how it was when we WERE there so that we can understand... Then we can better understand them, and be less hurt.
It's always going to hurt. That may be why a lot of them go back, just like the Amish kids after Rumschpringer, and alot of the Mormon kids. The religion is the way of life, and there is no getting around that. That is painful, but true. It's only when the light of truth shines on them that they get an inkling that this is not the way its supposed to be. Remember the scripture, I think in matthew, that says there will be no "natural love." Well, natural love is between parents and children... and that just about describes what the Witnesses do to those family members that decide they don't wanna be JW's... it's almost unnatural.
Keep yer head up, you never know what's comin yer way....
CG
what i have wondered, is how true were the witnesses about the psychological affect of having multiple sex partners in our lives?
i remember reading, and hearing in talks, that people who have turned themselves into the type of person who engages in indiscriminate sex, will suffer depression, problems in relationships and illnesses related to such a life style.
this line of fear was often drawn, to make a young person in the congregation fear the idea of having sex out of wedlock, and perhaps be enough to control the extreme drive of their hormones in early years.
People with mutiple sexual partners -- classified as a "stud" by the men and a "skank" as a girl.
In other days, girls, ladies, women had class. They didn't give their "stuff" up until they were guaranteed that the man respected them, women had value. Now they have no value, because they offer their stuff up so fast, for anyone. Now the men are becoming weak and relying on the women and they don't care because the women are so anxious to be loved and accepted that they will work for their man and support THEM, and so we are producing weak men.
There was a tiem that women had a "MYSTIQUE". Now they don't: they just show all their stuff right out front. There's nothing for the man to WORK for.
CG
most persons that i knew used either sickness or work as an excuse.......what about you??
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Bleeding heavily and didn't want to leave a blood trail up to the door.
i learned a whole way of life.
A whole fake way of life.
I learned that the truth is not the truth unless somebody else says it is.
I learned that loyalty is only a *word* and if it interfers with with your spirituality, it's only a word.
I learned how to lie. After all, the WORLDLY people were coming after us, and to protect our brothers and sisters we had to lie to protect them.
I learned that lying was okay. If you were protectinng your brothers and sisters, to lie was okay, because you would be lying to peole that were not entitled to know.
I learned that I shouldn't trust worldly people.
I learned that I was not worth much cuz I am a lady.
I learned that no one cares what I think, feel say. Anything else about what I learned?
CG
real shock i know that a jw would do that.
i found out today that my mom took my son to the kh behind my back when she was in town visiting.
he's just a little baby so he will have no memories of it.
A grandparent has no *right* to take your child where you don't want them to.
I would quickly bottle up my emotions on the issue and just tell your Mother that you do *not* want your son to go to the Kingdom Hall, and if she can't overcome her need to convert long enough to NOT take yor child to the meetings, then she has no business being alone with him unsupervised, and you will always be with him when he visits with her. Period.
CG